Stacking MAG, NAC, DPA +CBD For Addiction Recovery & Mental Health Optimization | Season 10 Premiere (Ep. 180)

Chris Scott: The lesson from addiction, especially alcohol addiction, really any addiction should be what you put into your body matters. If you've been putting into your body a toxic substance, it's worth knowing exactly what that toxic substance was doing. If you want to know why you feel as bad as you do, why you feel even spiritually or socially defective, it's worth knowing what's going on in your body. And then the question becomes well, "If I'm not going to put that substance in my body anymore, what am I going to put in my body? And what are the implications of putting those things into my body?"

Matt Finch: I was out of magnesium for a week and I started to feel muscle tension. I started to feel fatigue. I started to feel not anxious but definitely not confident. I was like, "What's going on?" Then it took me a day to figure out, but I realized that I don't have any magnesium in any of my products, none of these things. And so I went straight to the store and got some magnesium. They didn't have Dr. Starr's Magtein, but I got some magnesium powder and right after I drank and I was like, "I can't let that happen again."

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Matt Finch: Welcome to episode 180 and the season 10 premiere of the Elevation Recovery Podcast. I'm Matt Finch and I'm here with my cohost Chris Scott. This is springwater and I'm going to talk really quickly about my morning shake. You could even call it a morning recovery shake if you wanted to. This is Core 140+ by a company called Kyani, a meal replacement powder that combines natural nutrient dense ingredients in one easy to mix meal. 22 grams of grass-fed protein which is, let's see, grass-fed whey protein, isolate grass-fed milk protein, isolate organic cacao, natural flavor sea salt, Stevia Monk fruit vitamin blend holy basil, and then it also has a carbohydrate blend, proprietary fiber blend, greens blend, adaptogen blend, digestive blend omega-3 fatty acid blend and other things as well. So I do spring water, one scoop of this, even though the normal serving is two scoops because the other scoop, I do ancient nutrition, chicken bone broth protein powder, sometimes I do beef, Dr. Axe's company.

Matt Finch: So again, I do one scoop of this grass-fed whey protein with lots of different micronutrients and superfood powders, some bone broth protein. So then, and then Chris, you got me back into taking this because I had learned about tonic alchemy by Dragon Herbs and taken it for the first time, probably five or six or seven years ago. I think it was around seven years ago. I hated the taste but then didn't keep taking it. And then you were telling me how you were drinking it every day, I'm like, "I have to get back on that. It's so healthy." So I've put one scoop of this in my morning shake. This has nine grams in one scoop, only 30 calories, and it has 91 different ingredients, tonic herbs, probiotics, greens, seaweeds, fruits, and vegetables. Then I put in a tablespoon of nutritional yeast, which is really high in B-complex, really high in vegan protein, lots of amino acids, phytochemicals, minerals and finally Bragg's brand organic, unrefined, unfiltered, a hundred percent sourced from Greece, cold pressed, extra Virgin olive oil. I'll do about a tablespoon of that.

Matt Finch: So my whole morning shake has about seven grams, eight grams of carbohydrates, about 40 grams of protein, maybe about 20 grams of fat, mostly from the olive oil. And it's got so many different micronutrients and either spring water or alkaline water. And I find that the days [inaudible 00:04:17] with this it keeps me going for so many hours, it's ridiculous. It doesn't fill me up. It gives me just enough calories to crutch it, so high in micronutrients and protein and all the good stuff fiber. So how you start your morning, if you win the first meal of the day, or if you don't eat a first meal that is really optimizing versus somebody driving through Starbucks and getting a Latte or a Mocha with one of a little Starbucks' breakfast, which in early recovery, and even beyond I would fall into those habits often. And whenever I did, I didn't go back into substance addiction, but man caffeine and those high sugar, high fat foods. So this morning when I started off like this, oh, I'm good. I don't have cravings for that nasty shit for the rest of the day, maybe at nighttime.

Chris Scott: It's hilarious that you just brought up the tonic alchemy because that's why my head of security is barking right now. I just had that delivered. I ordered that the other day and I had run out and I've been taking that every day as well. I take half a scoop because it's really expensive.

Matt Finch: You just got that delivered and that's why your dog-

Chris Scott: I literally just got that delivered-

Matt Finch: And I was just talking about it.

Chris Scott: Yes. It is okay. Thank you for it. I try not to discourage it because he's-

Matt Finch: We are always in sync, man. We're in sync.

Chris Scott: Also, every time we start a podcast, my dog's going to start barking. It's just the luck, my luck. But yes, that's exactly what just came and I take half a scoop because it's a bit expensive and I have so many other things that I take in the morning like you. A lot of the things are capsules. I've actually added some cool stuff in lately because I'm on my 10th day. I'm still a little out of it, because I'm on my 10th day of a very strong antibiotic regimen. And that's because I got stung by a stingray about a week and a half ago. So they had to put me on stuff. It was turning black, I didn't want to lose my foot. So I decided to take the antibiotics as much as that pained me because it's wiping out my entire microbiome that I've spent hell of many years building up. That it's like a rainforest and if you take antibiotics you're burning it down, but that would potentially lose my foot. So luckily it does seem to be healing quite well.

Chris Scott: And I've been taking a lot of probiotics. I'm on my third Georgia Hemp citrus CBD beverage of the morning by Golda, which is Golda Kombucha, which is a company based in Atlanta and I love their stuff. It's expensive, but it's really good. It has 20 milligrams of CBD per can and also really good probiotics from Kombucha. I take the tonic alchemy, as you said also has probiotics. I've been eating a lot of kimchi, sauerkraut and I'm taking a probiotic actually. So working on that, but I don't do a morning smoothie. I go more caveman style. I just don't put a bunch of capsules and powders in my mouth and switch it around. People who have witnessed it find it appalling, but it's the easiest way to go for me. I don't care that much about mouth pleasure first thing in the morning. I just want to feel the benefits of all these things because typically when I wake up, I feel good but like anyone else, I'm a little bit groggy if I haven't gotten my full eight hours of sleep, ideally eight and a half, which is the sweet spot for me.

Chris Scott: Lately, I've been doing a lot of stuff because we've moved my website domain from fit-recovery.com to fit recovery.com, which I did want to mention in case anyone's confused. It's not part of a scam operation in case anyone's made a purchase, excuse me, from that site. It is our new domain. It's kept me up late at night recently. And instead of double my coffee intake, I decided to add some new stuff that I would normally reserve as needed occasional or for a pre-workout. I take that now immediately upon waking up.

Chris Scott: Beyond BCAA is one of my favorite powders and it contains the full range of branch chain amino acids, but it also has a good dose of L-tyrosine. So if I'm feeling a little out of it due to antibiotics or lack of sleep, that really perks me up in the morning and it keeps my coffee consumption low. I've also been taking L-glutamine in the morning, which keeps my blood sugar stable mostly really throughout the entire day. I'm actually fasted at this point. I didn't eat anything upon waking up because I wasn't hungry and I've been experimenting with instinctive eating. So only eating when I'm hungry, as opposed to having a set schedule and that can go wrong for some people. But I'm not at risk of going days without eating. I'm well over 200 pounds. I've always been on the more big bone side. And my appetite is large. With that said, I'm going to try to make it to around 5 or 6:00 PM today without eating just a little kind of intermittent fasting type situation. But I still did take my nutrients in the morning.

Chris Scott: So I find that L-glutamine helps with fasting because it does a bunch of different things, but one of the things it does is it gets turned into glucose in the brain without causing an insulin spike. So unlike sugar, you have sugar or you have alcohol, those things will give your brain some false energy for a while, but that will precede a major crash in your energy caused by the insulin spike, which also, as it turns out, wipes out all the amino acids or a number of amino acids in your bloodstream. So you get fewer raw materials for those important neurotransmitters, like serotonin, dopamine endorphins, all of them. So I find that that helps.

Chris Scott: And I've also been taking a magnesium powder, which I don't take all the time, but I find that it keeps me relaxed, especially when I'm fasting. If my blood sugar does dip a little bit, I find that having some magnesium, it just kind of calms my bones and my nerves. I can feel it. Magnesium's involved in over 300 different bodily processes. So there's a lot going on there, but it's also a precursor for GABA and magnesium, L-glutamine and vitamin B6, which I also get from my morning multi are all the precursors for GABA. So I get to keep my GABA levels steady, and I get to feel pretty good. And then by the time I do eat, it feels awesome.

Chris Scott: But yeah, I'm experimenting with one or two meals per day. The one meal is tough. I can do it but when I do that, I end up eating two pounds of grass-fed beef and three avocados. I have some friends who eat like that all the time and I just can't do it. I feel like two meals is more my style. But well, yeah, even if I only do one meal and I wait till later in the day, I typically do have my low calorie supplement regimen in the morning.

Chris Scott: I'm taking things like astaxanthin, which has been shown to be helpful for anti-aging. It's also like an internal sunscreen. So if you're going to go out in the sun, you can take astaxathin and it helps protect you. I think it helps protect you from the inflammation response that your body has from being in the sun. It protects your skin. It's isolated from shellfish like krill. I think lobsters and crabs also have, keeps them safe from the sun while they're in the water. So that's a cool one. Also, [inaudible 00:12:07] I'm not good at pronouncing these things is very useful for immune health and for heart health. It actually helps to get zinc into the cells. So I've been taking that because of this pandemic. Obviously nothing's a cure for COVID but it's something that I've been taking and knock on wood and I haven't gotten it despite being in the same room grappling and boxing with guys who apparently have had it while I've been boxing with them. So that's a cool one.

Chris Scott: And I also take beet powder every morning. I dump a stupid beet pattern in my mouth. It helps increase my nitric oxide. And so I feel better during my workouts. I feel actually a mood boost from that probably from increased circulation and enhanced nutrient delivery from having that vasodilation that goes on from the boosted NO2. So all of these things together, and I'm not saying everyone has to take these things, and that's really the tip of the iceberg with my whole regimen. It would take me longer to describe everything I take, but those are some of the big ones. And I feel really good within 20 minutes of taking all that stuff. It's not like a high that you would get from a drug. It's not a drug like effect. It's just like an enhanced sense of well-being where you feel like you're optimized in the most natural way possible. So you feel relaxed, you feel like you're alert, you can think clearly your mood is pretty good and you're ready to take on the day.

Matt Finch: Right. Yeah. We need water in the morning and micro nutrients added to the morning mix certainly helped my dad's big into micronutrients. I remember the first time he read, I went to community college. I'm a three time community college dropout, C average student in high school, three time community college dropout, had 18 different jobs before I was 30. So if someone like me can recover from addiction and get their shit together, I think pretty much most people or anyone could. But, oh my gosh, just going there...Oh, I don't even want to talk about school. Anyways, I liked my nutrition class and I liked my nutrition textbook and my dad who, they got their own herbs score on everything. He was thrumming through that nutrition book and really liking it. And so what my dad so smart that he read that book cover to cover. And then a week later just started a six week nutrition course. And then over the decades, I think it's been almost two decades since he's been at teaching nutrition. It's progressed but he's big into heavy duty micronutrients.

Matt Finch: And that's what I learned when I studied Jeff Primack's system, the high phytochemical food healing system. It's all about targeted micronutrients. That's what Julia Ross teaches with amino acid therapy. And what I've realized through learning from my dad and learning from other people is that micronutrients are in foods and a lot of times the best phytochemical micronutrients are locked up in the fibrous content of vegetables and fruits and so the only way to get full access to all the phytochemicals is to polarize it into a fairy dust powder. That's what my Blendtec three horsepower blender does. That's what foods like these target.

Matt Finch: This is all Whole Foods right here. I don't think they added anything. This is all food from the ocean and from the earth and from roots underneath. This is not like synthetic or semi-synthetic vitamins and minerals. Everything in this is actually food and it's all micronutrients. There's no macronutrients. There's two grams of fiber, five grams of carb, two grams of protein, 30 calories, very small on macronutrients, 30 calories micronutrients. I can only imagine what this powder contains. I feel so much better when I drink this every morning.

Matt Finch: With this, when I run out of it, I feel a difference. I'm like "My tonic alchemy is gone for days." And magnesium too I ran out of Dr. Starr's Neuro Restore and it's his magnesium Magtein. Magtein is only magnesium shown in research to cross the blood-brain barrier. It's got magnesium threonate. I forget how to pronounce it. But I was out of magnesium for a week and I started to feel muscle tension. I started to feel fatigue. I started to feel not anxious, but definitely not confident. And I was like, "What's going on?" Then it took me a day to figure out, but I realized that I don't have any magnesium in any of my products, none of these things. And so I went straight to the store and got some magnesium. They didn't have Dr. Starr's, Magtein, but I got some magnesium powder and right after I drank it, I was like, "I can't let that happen again," because when I go a whole week without any magnesium, it's not very high in foods, dark chocolate it's high in, it's really not a super high. And I need lots of magnesium for whatever reason. Genetically, maybe it's because so many decades of drug use and stuff, or maybe it's because I'm so active, usually on a day-to-day basis.

Matt Finch: But yeah, man, nutrient deficiencies take you out so fast. And I feel horrible for everyone trying to overcome a substance use disorder, whether it's alcohol or drugs or both. Meanwhile, they're not able to do it and it's often because they have serious deficiencies going on of course with neuro-transmitters, but often even more common things like deficiency of Omega 3s while excess of Omega 6s and Omega 9, deficiency of vitamin D, deficiency of magnesium, deficiency of zinc, deficiency of just the right macronutrients for their biochemistry, deficiency of micronutrients, deficiency of cleaning living water, deficiency of living foods, just cooked processed box foods that are been on the shelf for two months or something and you take it home and cook it and think that's going to radically boost your health, it's not. Living foods typically or cook foods yeah too, but that were living not long ago, right?

Chris Scott: Right. Yeah. I actually just got a brand new water filtration system installed so that I can have fresh, clean water all the time. I was going to Whole Foods with my two, five gallon jugs every week and filling them up. And I was shocked when I realized I go through 10 gallons of water myself every week and that's just at home. I'm drinking filtered water at the gym when I'm there. So I drink a lot of water. And today in hot yoga, I actually weighed myself before and after I lost over six pounds in an hour long yoga session.

Matt Finch: Wow.

Chris Scott: All water. And when I lifted up my mat, it's like a waterfall or a slip and slide, like just a puddle. And I'm part of the heavy sweater club. And every time I leave, everyone else's, "Here's a little perspiration on the floor," and my just this big puddle and the owner of the gym sends someone in to mop it up. They're always mopping up my space. I feel bad. I actually started bringing three towels in there. But it was kind of a pain in the ass to go to Whole Foods with these five gallon jugs and fill them every week. And then when I'd forget, I'd have to drink the tap water, which I didn't really place much emphasis at all on until after I quit drinking.

Chris Scott: And I was like that premise that we've brought up again and again. The lesson from addiction, especially alcohol addiction, but really any addiction should be what you put into your body matters. If you've been putting into your body a toxic substance, it's worth knowing exactly what that toxic substance was doing. If you want to know why you feel as bad as you do, why you feel even spiritually or socially defective, it's worth knowing what's going on in your body. And then the question becomes, well, "If I'm not going to put that substance in my body anymore, what am I going to put in my body? And what are the implications of putting those things in my body?"

Chris Scott: So I started reading a bit about tap water and finding out that there, you can get medications that people flush down the toilet. They ended up in the drinking supply, maybe trace amounts. But if you're drinking 10 gallons a week for your whole lifetime, who knows? I don't want that accumulating in my body. So I got this, it's a carbon filter with some circulation system that keeps the carbon filter from just having one pathway through it that gets corroded or eroded pretty quickly. And the water tastes great, tastes just as good as the water I was getting from Whole Foods. Now my dogs have fresh water as well because I was giving my dog's tap water because I didn't want to go to whole foods more than I already was. So I found that that's extremely important to have fresh water.

Chris Scott: And I'm also hyper buyer as a growing, I actually got Frayer over here. We should have the animals more actively involved in [crosstalk 00:21:35] anyone watching on YouTube. Matt's got a bird, I've got two dogs. My dogs are happily sharing on some bones right now, but I'm glad you brought up magnesium because that's something that I think everyone can benefit from. I've yet to meet a person who doesn't think they benefited from incorporating bioavailable magnesium into their regimens. And quality does matter with magnesium. Magnesium oxide is the most common form of magnesium and people in my online course will have heard this a million times. It's not well absorbed and it tends to be flushed through the body, but magnesium citrate, magnesium glycinate, threonate, as you said, and now they're whole bunch of other ones even are can be very well absorbed. There's a spectrum there too. I wasn't aware that Dr. Starr's magnesium threonate was the only kind that crosses the blood-brain barrier. That's interesting. So I'll have to work into that. But I've been using a product called Natural Calm, I think. And it's a powder-

Matt Finch: That's what I have in my kitchen, right? That's what I went at the store to get.

Chris Scott: I don't know if you've noticed though that they've switched from magnesium citrate to magnesium carbonate. If you look at the label and magnesium carbonate is not bad. I definitely do still feel a benefit, but I don't feel quite as much benefit as I felt when they were using citrate. So there's a quality difference there. Magnesium carbonates typically, I don't know that it's totally not bioavailable, but I think it's most often used to prevent stomach upset or even as a filler in some other supplements or in the creation of tablets or whatever. So that was odd. I was not happy when I discovered that.

Chris Scott: So yeah, citrate, threonate, glycinate or maybe it's gluconate. I think it's gluconate. All those tend to be really good. And I go through phases of having magnesium. I need a certain amount for sure, but I can feel when I'm deficient in magnesium, feels like I'm a little more restless than usual, my mind might even be a bit overactive. So then I'll start taking two or 300 milligrams a day for a while and then I can kind of stop taking it, see how I feel I'm replenished again. But caffeine, coffee definitely increases the rate of excretion for magnesium, alcohol increases it tremendous, stress it's going to increase it, lack of sleep cannot increase the rate at which your body gets rid of magnesium. And as a crucial electrolyte for anyone who works out, it's really important to have. So I take about 250 milligrams of magnesium in the form of the Natural Calm right now, before I do yoga or MMA.

Matt Finch: Yeah. There is magnesium as huge. And oftentimes in my life, when I felt the worst, it was because I was addicted to alcohol and drugs and very deficient in magnesium. Another great magnesium is Epsom salt. Well, the brand name for magnesium sulfate, which is highly absorbable through the skin, huge bioavailability. And I thought that was pretty much the best until you told me about ancient minerals bath flakes, magnesium chloride, which has even higher bioavailability than magnesium sulfate.

Matt Finch: And then I took it a step further and found this vitamin shop brand, or they carry it at the vitamin shop. I don't know if it's their brand, but it is a CBD Epsom salt. And I put a magnesium chloride bath flakes in it. So now I do ancient minerals bath flakes with the CBD Epsom salt. And it has a bunch of essential oils in it. And I'll do a foot bath because I don't want to take a bath every single night, but I do want those benefits on a regular basis. So now Ashley wouldn't go all the way to the vitamin shop when she was running errands yesterday, she was like, "I'm just going to CVS." I'm like, "All right, just get some regular Epsom salt because we're out of the CBD stuff.

Matt Finch: And CBD combined with magnesium, I'm also starting to get cool ideas for new supplements, for instance, and anybody that has been following us for a while might see where this is going. But imagine Chris a supplement that has a combination of D-phenylalanine. So DPA just DPA, which increases endorphins, NAC which increases glutathione, CBD which lightly increases serotonin, decreases excess glutamate, neuro inflammation, body inflammation, upregulates the endocannabinoid system and more, leads to hippocampal neurogenesis and other benefits.

Matt Finch: And then maybe another one or two nutrients in there. So I'm thinking some future supplement things and how people can... Because there's some nutrients out there, there are some micronutrients that by and large seem to be a huge efficacy profile with a very low side effect or negative reaction profile. DPA is one of those and NAC is one of those. And those are anti addiction ones, which if you're boosting your glutathione and NAC does other things too, it's just so good for your mental clarity, your brain, your energy elimination and DPA, I had a conversation with Julia Ross it was an hour and a half about a week ago and we talked at length about DPA and she even told me some other things about it. And this is just such a cool nutrient. And there's only a few companies that even sell D-phenylalanine. There's not that many out there.

Matt Finch: Meanwhile, this is a huge natural endorphin booster. She was saying how she gives some people up to two grams at a time up to three times a day, six grams of D-phenylalanine per day and the way she was talking about it too, it's just a magnificent one, I'm like, "Oh my gosh." This supplement can increase your endorphins so much and endorphins are so great for anxiety and for depression for giving you a shield of protection. Not a lot of people want to just start working out. It's very hard to start working out if you haven't been used to it. And it's very hard to get an endorphin rush if you're addicted to substances too because your is monopolized by those substances. So man, taking two, four, six grams of DPA at a time or something, people can actually start to rebuild their endorphins.

Matt Finch: So the way I'm thinking about micronutrients lately is so much more advanced and creative and process-oriented than before, "Oh, that's a cool micronutrient," but now, more than nine years into this journey, and it's just getting more and more exciting because I've learned so much more from people like you and from the news and from the articles and from other YouTubers and from books and just from everything. And now that whole kind of self-education school combined with traditional education is leading up to this. It's an obsession with the right targeted micronutrients for repairing the addicted brain for making early recovery smoother and relapse non-existent for that person.

Chris Scott: Right. And lifestyle optimization possible even after your life stops revolving around a substance or its absence, which by extension would be still revolving around that substance. I can't imagine living a life where I didn't examine closely what goes into my body and have a range of options for fixing temporary ailments. For example, I didn't notice when I was drinking, but now thanks to all of this research and information that we have when I get an upset stomach, I take a ginger tablet. It's just ginger in the form of a tablet, very potent. 98% of the time, my stomach is totally fine. I've actually taken the ginger to help me with the antibiotics which have been harsh on my stomach. And I have to take those with fruit or else I'll feel like I just swallowed a chlorine tablet. A little ginger goes a long way.

Chris Scott: And that's one of hundreds of different things that I've learned about how to support my own body as needed in specific situations or on a long-term basis. So taking things like B vitamins to keep myself from burning out. I have a training partner who's extremely intense and mixed martial arts. Unlike me, he's trying to go pro that's his goal. He wants to be UFC title holder champion. And I brought him some of the Beyond BCAAs and Legion Triumph multivitamin and something else. I don't recall what the other thing was, but with the next week he started smiling 75% more. He's an intense guy. He doesn't do a lot of smiling, really nice guy. He'll joke around, but it just seemed like he was happier on another plane.

Chris Scott: And then last week I walked in and he was sitting there looking tired and drained and burned out. And I was like, "Are you okay?" And he kind of just looked at me like, "Mmh, I'm fine." I said, "Did your nutrients run out?" And he's like, "Yeah." I was like, "Coincidence?" And he just kind of shrugged it off. But I don't make fun of anyone for not putting two and two together with nutrients. It can often seem like a coincidence. Like, "Yeah, my vitamins ran out. My nutrients ran out, but someone said this and I just don't like it, it made me feel bad. So that's why I'm feeling bad." We often project our biochemical state onto situations, which is not to say that situational problems can't cause anxiety or depression or sleeplessness or whatever. It's important to have your psychology optimized as well. But in his case, I'm bringing him more BCAAs on Monday. And if I had to place a bet, I would say by the end of this week, he's going to feel like a different person once again. And he'll realize how important these nutrients actually are.

Chris Scott: So I'm extremely grateful for all of the knowledge that we've been able to incorporate into our own lives. And it's nice when you talk the talk and you walk the walk. If I didn't eat in a certain way, not that I don't have meals where I just say I'm going to have lobster mac and cheese because I feel like it or whatever, I'm going to make some regular waffles with maple syrup because I want it. And I mean each seven pieces of bacon, most of the time I've earned it. I think it's important to have cheat meals. I don't think it's optimal to be to try to be perfect a hundred percent of the time. It's worth trying to be perfect 80% of the time so that you can actually enjoy the other 20% when you're not being perfect. So I think that's a good thing but it is really important to try to understand what's going on in your body and make sure that you have tools that you can use to deal with it in the bio-psycho-social and spiritual dimensions.

Chris Scott: So last thing I'll mention here. I know we're going to keep today relatively short because I got to bounce to hot yoga. You've got some stuff, but I love your idea about incorporating DPA or D-phenylalanine and a NAC and some other compounds.

Matt Finch: CBD.

Chris Scott: And CBD, yeah. My supplement company BioRebalance is about to release very soon hopefully in the next month or two, a new version of BioRebalance. And we're also planning to start releasing new supplements. So different types of supplements for different types of things. The one we have now is great for full body repair optimization and contains a range of things, everything from vitamins to minerals, to some herbs and some fatty acids supporting the gut liver brain axis and really useful for someone who's trying to support the resolution of those nutrient deficiencies associated with alcohol addiction and other addictions.

Chris Scott: But we've looked into making some supplements with CBD, with NAC. If we do make an NAC supplement NAC being N-acetyl cysteine, precursor to glutathione. If we do that, we'll probably have to make it a capsule because we've discovered that NAC tastes like burnt lagers. I think I saw that on a forum somewhere because I was like, "Ah, this stuff tastes horrible in a powder." There's nothing to balance it. And even my capsules, I opened up my, I think it's like Gero brand my own NAC, which I do take in the morning to help with detoxification.

Chris Scott: And also NAC has been shown to be potentially useful for respiratory flu, including potentially COVID. So I've taken that and I smelled the bottle of capsules and it smelled like burnt lagers. So I was like, "All right, we'll have to make a capsule version if we decided to go with this." But there are so many nutrients we can put together and I'm excited, my goal is to have a dozen different, highly targeted and highly useful and specific blends, mostly in the form of powders, some may be capsules that people can use depending on what it is they need. And that's all I'll say for now, but we'll definitely be picking your brain as well Matt, while our scientists do the formulation.

Matt Finch: Yeah. Well, we'll save that for next time. NAC sustained release and a CSR. They have those you can do NAC sustained release.

Chris Scott: [crosstalk 00:36:00] Technology and supplements that's really interesting. They actually have 3-D printers for supplements now. So you can create a capsule with different layers of nutrients so it's not only time release, but different nutrients get released at different times and you can customize it too. So you could have an order. We're not quite there yet with, I don't know how many companies, if any do this, I just know the technology exists, but you could basically have a blood test and a bunch of other tests send it to someone, they formulate a custom nutrient plan and then 3-D print your supplements quarterly, which would be really cool. That's where would love to get to that point in the next year or two with BioRebalance.

Matt Finch: Oh man, we're on our way. As many problems as rapid technological advancement creates, it is going to solve a lot of problems too. And that's one of them right there. Once we get to that phase where we make supplementation science and supplement delivery system, nutrient delivery system science, once it gets to that phase where you're talking about where that's the system's good and it works and you can order it and people can afford it, that's going to be a game changer and there's going to be so many other ones. That was great for this session. We had no idea where it was going to go. I kind of wanted to talk about some of the new supplements that we're taking and some of the ideas that we're having so that was perfect. Thanks man.

Chris Scott: Thanks Matt.