Synopsis: Chris Scott and Matt Finch discuss nutrient absorption for addiction recovery and how to optimize this using nitric oxide boosters, digestive enzymes, taking whole food supplements, chewing food well, and much more.
Speaker 1 (00:01): You know, some people aren't able to absorb, absorb certain types of nutrients at all. So this would be something that could really help people like that. And you know, you never know exactly how much of a supplement you're going to absorb.
Speaker 2 (00:15): The main thing I do to increase new nutrient absorption is take nitric oxide boosters. I know you do that too. The one, my main nitric oxide booster is certified organic Noni extract product called Kyani nitro extreme. I also really love L citrulline beet organic beet root juice powder.
Speaker 3 (00:40): Thanks for tuning into the elevation recovery podcast. Your hub for addiction recovery strategies hosted by Chris Scott and Matt
Speaker 2 (00:51): Today's episode is brought to you by the elevation recovery course collection, which you can email@example.com forward slash courses. The two flagship courses are ultimate opioid detox, 5.0 as well as total alcohol recovery. 2.0 again, you can access firstname.lastname@example.org forward slash course. Hey, thanks for joining us. Today is episode one 60 and the season premiere of season nine. I'm Matt Finch, one of your hosts and joining me as Chris Scott, my cohost hailing from Savannah Georgia. I'm here in San Diego, California. What is that? Chris?
Speaker 1 (01:35): Not much great to great to be here with you, even though we don't have video today. So we get to sit in the dark and, you know, rest our eyes a little bit, but, uh, we definitely have some interesting things to talk about today. I know right before this, uh, episode, we were talking about a recent Joe Rogan episode with, uh, Dr. Mark Gordon and Andrew Marr. And I try to listen to I'm a fan of the Joe Rogan show is a lot of people are, and I, I try to listen to all the ones that that could be tangentially relevant to alcohol recovery. You know, anytime he has an expert on who's an MD, he's talking about holistic health or functional medicine, I could get in the zone and try to pay attention. And this one hit the nail on the head. There's was actually kind of amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:25): I recommend all of our listeners listen to that because basically they're talking about veterans with CTE or traumatic brain injury, TBI and PTSD, a number of very common issues that have been treated traditionally with medications, harsh medications, like at times, anxiety agents, uh, antidepressants, uh, and, and so forth. Maybe anti-inflammatory stuff that, but harsh medications. And, uh, I think it was Andrew Marr who's veteran. I think he was a Greenbrae, but I can't recall he had been in a blast and was basically incapacitated from it. Seemingly psychologically there's like he just couldn't conduct as normal life. He was borderline suicidal. He'd kind of given up. And then he used Dr. Mark Gordon's protocol for getting better, which consisted largely of nutrients that you and I talked about all the time, Matt, and thanks people will be familiar with, with the addition of some hormone precursors, things like DHA GA, um, some peptides, a pretty complex regimen of things that, you know, as Dr. Gordon says, at one point can take six months to train a doctor and how to do, um, and, and a lot of doctors dismiss it off hand because they don't want to think that they'd been treated people incorrectly, uh, which is something, you know, neither you or I are doctors.
Speaker 1 (03:55): We know doctors who endorsed the kind of approach that we use to beat addiction and that a lot of people turn to us to, to get layman's info on. And yet those doctors said, John [inaudible], for example, Dr. [inaudible] has been on this episode or on this podcast many times, uh, very familiar with the kind of institutional and establishment resistance to the idea that you don't need, uh, medications or, or, or talk therapy. Maybe you need them, maybe some people need them, but they can, they're not particularly useful in the absence of building your brain body system back up, rebalancing yourself. So I thought that was super interesting is that's a very parallel situation that we have with people recovering from addiction. You know, there's no blast for most of us that gave us a traumatic brain injury. Maybe we don't have one yet we have serious deficiencies imbalances, hormonal imbalances that are not dissimilar from what results from, um, being in a, in a war and in a blast and having that, uh, brain injury.
Speaker 1 (05:06): So, you know, it's always interesting to me to see other applications of the same whole body holistic, um, nutrient deficiency, neurotransmitter hormone, central approach, you know, and of course there's a lot of talk in this podcast about the role of inflammatory cytokines and neuro inflammation, the importance of sleep, you know, whether PTSD is a purely psychological phenomenon, which Dr. Gordon doesn't believe, or whether there's a role that's played by pro-inflammatory cytokines that get in the brain and wreak havoc, you know, unbeknownst to most people who are, who are really trying their best to get better via talk therapy or, or seeing a counselor. Not that those things can't help some people, but when you're not treating the root cause of the issue, and you're ignoring it completely in most cases and not eating a good diet, not getting enough sleep, maybe because you can't because of those imbalances, you're not getting enough exercise, maybe because you can't, because they're so deficient in hormones and neurotransmitters, that you can't even have a good workout.
Speaker 1 (06:11): Even if you go to the gym, you know, all of these things are interconnected. And I've said for a long time that I suspect there's a feedback loop that goes both ways between the psychological pillar and the biochemical pillar, whether we're talking about recovery from addiction or optimization or other issues such as just general depression, anxiety, PTSD. Uh, and I think that's true. You know, you can, you can certainly affect your levels of cortisol, for example, by, by fixing your thought processes or disengaging from stressful situations, reframing things, handling them better. But in the end, it all tends to come back to nutrition. If that place, if that piece is not in place, I, I would say, you know, it would take you maybe 10 to 20 times as long, if you should recover in a year with the help of new nutritional repair, or maybe even hormone therapy for people who need it, then, you know, and if you don't do that, you just do talk therapy, you just take antidepressants or Gabapentin or benzos, whatever the doctor gives you.
Speaker 1 (07:22): I would say, if you ever recover at all, maybe it takes you five, 10, 15, 20 years. And, you know, I'm, I'm always haunted by that AA meeting. I went to a long time ago when I was in early recovery, looking for answers, and someone had said they were like 30 or 40 years sober, and they still had horrible alcohol cravings every day. And I thought, I'm, I must be missing something because that shouldn't be possible. You should, how someone can have intense physical cravings after 30 or 40 years of quitting a substance is it would seem to me that there's something physically wrong. And so I'm just happy to see that, that, that there are success stories like Andrew Mark, who's now leading the effort to promote this information. And they have hundreds, maybe thousands, I think thousands at this point, uh, veterans that they've helped who were kind of at the end of their rope, so to speak and have, uh, totally reinvented their sense of wellbeing and their lives.
Speaker 2 (08:24): I can't wait to listen to that podcast episode. And you also brought up something that goes along with that. Let's see. I just got a text from a client that I'm helping first to get off stimulants. And second to get off, create him after that. Instead, his main thing is he's taking a large amount of prescription stimulants daily. And so his protocol was for a week, he did NAD patches. These are ones that have just become, um, from a Florida. I think it's called Ivy me now. And it's in Boca Raton, Florida, that this NAD center used to be in San Diego. Um, but they moved to Boca Raton, which I think is where Tony Robbins lives. That's where I saw him at date with destiny many years ago. So he was doing two of these heavy duty, 24 hour NAD patches on his arms every single day for the first few days.
Speaker 2 (09:20): And then one per arm for the next few days, he was also doing, uh, in conjunction with that. Um, I was going to read his text, injectable nutrients, like injectable glutathione, amino acids, and some vitamin CS from the same website too. And this is what he said, this NAD stuff worked so well. I kind of want to order another package of 12 and then cold Turkey cradle. So I hadn't heard from him for a few days, the first day he checked in and he was like day one complaint. And then I hear from them again towards the end, and it just went so smooth. They didn't even need to contact me. So this was a protocol. There was no medications, there was no anything. It was just injectable nutrients and NAD doubling up on NAD patches. So, you know, I love regular supplements too, but I think I'm going to be moving more and more, at least for people doing acute detoxes more and more towards these injectable things like injectable HGH testosterone, if you're a man injectable amino acid mixers, injectable glutathione, vitamin C injectable V B-vitamins doubling up on NAD patches, you know, drinking really, really micronutrient, dense shakes.
Speaker 2 (10:41): He was also doing a cleanse, a juice slash protein, uh, cleanse during this thing too. He was, he wasn't doing a hundred percent, but like 80% cleanse. So he took a lot of his energy away from digestion, which freed it up to come off of the stimulants. He didn't come completely off, but I think he reduced his, his dosage by 50% in one week. And so our, maybe he got off completely. I'm not sure I'll be checking in with him again soon. But so if you told a regular doctor something like this, Oh, for PTSD, why don't you try all these different, it would just sound kind of like folklore or snake oil or something, but behind the scenes, this is what seems to be helping people. The most is a combination of seriously restoring their brain, body health and system. And from that point, then they can start to, if they want to do talk therapy, that's going to work a lot better when your brain's feeling good. Right. As opposed to you can talk and talk and talk to your lips are blue till your voice has gone. But if your brain's messed up, if your liver's messed up, if you've got a bunch of issues that talk therapy is going to have at best moderate success, there's no way you can optimize. But yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:03): Well, I, from some friends I have who I've been friends with for a while, and not just because they're doctors, but they happen to be doctors. I can say that. Yeah. The reaction is something like you're promoting snake oil. If you talk about NAD plus, but the irony or strange thing about that is that NAD plus is kind of like the, the, the main passion of Dr. Sinclair. Who's a very esteemed professor at Harvard and he he's been taking it for a long time. He also looks like he's way younger than he is, even though he apparently doesn't have the best lifestyle. Um, and he's, you know, he, he, he's not someone who would promote snake oil, you know, so it's, I don't think it's a, you know, knowing everything we know about NAD, there are all sorts of studies that have come out and supportive that, uh, as well as the other nutrients that we're talking about, uh, you know, it's, it, it is funny to me, although I confess the reality that a lot of, uh, doctors who are not subscribed to such a thing or be open to it.
Speaker 1 (13:07): But I think at the same time, there are a lot of doctors who are, and there are a lot of people who are opening their eyes to it. And I think increasingly there's going to be a push for more nutrition education in medical schools as well, because these are obviously not dumped people we're talking about. If you get a medical degree, you were very driven and smart most of the time. And so it's just a, kind of a systemic deficiency in the, in the medical school system. And yet I forget who was saying it, but, uh, maybe it was Joe Rogan actually said that he said he always turns to, to, to jacked healthy looking doctors for advice. Um, can you say, because those are the people that know what's going on and, you know, you find a lot of, a lot of doctors who are experts in, um, Santa we've had, uh, uh, I'm blanking on the name, but we've had some doctors who look quite healthy who have been guests on the podcast and tend to be well versed in the nutritional considerations.
Speaker 1 (14:03): You know, with, with that said, though, I think it probably takes a certain kind of person to inject themselves at home or to buy something on a whim online come. Yeah, sure. I'll shoot myself up with that. I think, I mean, I'm pretty experimental, but I would, I would be hesitant about that. That's an interesting, uh, business and I've long meant to go get a Myers cocktail or even an NAD infusion. I think the patches would be easier for me to start with, um, rather than, you know, sitting there with the needle, putting in my arm, I wouldn't even know where to put it. And I, I mean, I've always been told it's easy to find my veins, but I bet I would mess up. And I'd probably say, you know what, I'll stick to the patch.
Speaker 2 (14:43): These ones are typically intramuscular. So you can use them in your butt or your stomach somewhere where you have
Speaker 1 (14:52): Anything into
Speaker 2 (14:52): My veins is that might be hard for some people to believe with all the drugs that I've done and been addicted to, but I've never shot anything into my veins, any drug I've been to the hospital. And now they've set me up to IV drips in my veins, but I've never injected, uh, illicit drugs or anything like that. Ha I've done every other form of route of administration.
Speaker 1 (15:16): Interesting. I didn't know that for some reason, I thought you did IB heroin at one point. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:23): Um, P uh, could be now I'm like second guessing myself a bump on a bump. Yeah, I think there, there, there could be both, as you can see, this is still something that I'm, this is very new. I just did a new video series for January, which the first video was on a protocol I'm developing for opioid withdrawal, which is a combination of Cantos four, which we've talked about before Vietnamese, uh, product that's Chinese extract herbs, all for opioid withdrawal. Uh, so the protocol I'm developing as a combination of that with injectable nutrients and what I'm running into problems is finding information online on dosages for injectable nutrients protocols for those. Um, so I think what I'm going to have to do is just have Dr. Star come on the show again, or do some collaboration with them where he teaches that type of stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:19): Cause he's, he really knows the dosages. He knows the protocols, but because you know, you oral supplements that you swallow that are, you know, F uh, capsules or tablets. Those don't have very good absorption. If there's synthetic higher absorption, if they're natural, they're just whole foods, but then you come up to the liquid supplements and liquid whole food supplements. And then all of a sudden you come up to the NAD patches as a route of administration, NAD, injections, Ivy, other injectable, and nutrients, Ivy nutrients. And so they, these just all have much higher bioavailability and it's, it's easier to, it may seem weird at first I inject testosterone once a week at first, it was weird. Um, and that's also to show you that I was feeling real, uh, I wouldn't call myself to press, but I was really low, uh, borderline depressed. Couldn't feel happy when I worked out or anything.
Speaker 2 (17:18): Like I was just not doing good towards the end of 39. And no talk therapy would have helped me because my testosterone was severely deficient when I went and got tested. As soon as I started taking the medicine and got my levels up, I felt better. The medicine staffroom. Yeah. So testosterone helped me to feel better because if I would've went to talk therapy, Oh yeah, I'm feeling low. And working on all this stuff, there was nothing going wrong with my, the way my was thinking, it was just a physical deficiency of a physical hormone that is on average 13 to 17 times higher in males than females. And so here I had the testosterone level of around a 63, 65 year old male, which is why I couldn't build muscle, which is why it couldn't recover from workouts, which is why I couldn't sleep.
Speaker 2 (18:11): I couldn't defend stress. And so these protocols now I'm like, Oh man, people can get so many rad injections, injectable HGH for male or female, uh, testosterone for men or lower amounts of testosterone for certain women with very bad opioid induced endocrinopathy, uh, injections of let's see glutathione and NAD and amino acid mixtures. And it's just a great way. Instead of having to swallow a whole bunch of capsules. Now that's fine for regular life, but someone that's going through an acute withdrawal at home instead of having to like swallow all those capsules and make sure to get some of it with food mans, for the people that can afford it. Now, these things are pricey. You get what you pay for. So the injectable things, those NAD patches, those are not cheap. I think he might've spent, spent around 600 to even a thousand dollars, maybe even over a thousand dollars just for about a week's worth of that stuff, which he's thinking of reordering again, to then come off of creating.
Speaker 2 (19:17): But Hey, if you spend a thousand dollars on some stuff and it helps you have a much easier detox that's money well invested. Um, in my opinion, like if it was me going through withdrawal, that's what all my money coming in would be, would be for. It would be to help prepare me for that withdrawal and to help get me through that less difficult, more comfortably, basically, I, you know, you're probably not going to feel your best, but man, does it have to be total agony for some people it might, you know, depending on what they're on, how long they been on it for their constitution. I have another client that just came off of heroin, like doing a bunch of heroin each day. Now he transitioned over a, a low amount of Suboxone, but even that was a miracle that he did it mostly comfortably. After a few days, he felt really good. He was doing Wim, Hof breathing in the morning, um, breathing or, um, cold showers, cold therapy during work too. He listens to the pod, our podcast a lot during he's able to do it while he's at work. Another client too, that I have right now, uh, she can listen to us while she's working as well. I thought that was cool. I was like, what a cool job that you have to be able to listen to the podcast and get paid for.
Speaker 1 (20:35): I had that thought the other night I was folding my underwear. I don't know, glamorous, even if I was listening to a podcast and I thought, wow, some people somewhere could be folding their underwear. And listening to me, that's a really weird thought. Totally hit me. But, um, anyway, back to your point about the injectables and the patches, I think it's really exciting because I've had a lot of clients and people in my online course who have had severe gut inflammation and trouble absorbing things through the digestive tract because alcohol is so inflammatory to the gut. And there are certain supplements that can be useful if they can be tolerated well for repairing the gut, such as L-glutamine, that's really good for gut repair after quitting drinking. Uh, yet, you know, a lot of people have trouble with things like, especially vitamin C. Uh, some of the amino acids tend to not be absorbed.
Speaker 1 (21:32): Some times are fatty acids. Those people would really benefit from patches or injectables. Um, I've, I've also had some clients in the past where I've had surgery, uh, on their, on their stomachs or intestines, ulcerative colitis related things or diverticulitis. And, you know, some people aren't able to absorb, absorb certain types of nutrients at all. So this would be something that could really help people like that. And, you know, you never know exactly how much of a supplement you're going to absorb. I've had some clients who aren't aware of any digestive issues or autoimmune conditions, so inflammatory conditions that would affect them and their absorption rate. However, uh, I always suspect whenever I have someone who is taking a bunch of supplements, this doesn't happen often. So maybe it's like one out of 50 people, someone's taking a bunch of supplements and we keep increasing dosages and they, they feel nothing.
Speaker 1 (22:32): I always start to suspect, but maybe there's something going on. You know, maybe there's just so much inflammation that they're, uh, they're not absorbing anything. You know what, maybe 5%, uh, and Dr. Rebecca Erickson, who, who has been on this podcast before, and she works in a clinic in Marbella, Spain, executive health clinic, helping people with addictions over there, it's pretty standard to treat people with the same nutrient repair type stuff that we talk about. And, uh, she said that some people have to be either strictly Ivy nutrients, or she will just keep increasing dosages sometimes to like five or six times what normal people would get, uh, until they start experiencing some relief from the withdrawal or post-acute withdrawal symptoms, especially sleeplessness and, and a restlessness restless legs, uh, anxiety, depression. So sometimes she'll be sitting there and, you know, really increasing the doses of five HTP or serotonin precursors, or magnesium to well above what, what your, I would probably feel comfortable taking ourselves or we're telling people. So I'm looking forward to the day where of this is just medical common knowledge, and we have some kind of app or AI software that, that integrates with like nanobots in the body. That's saying, all right, here's, what's going on. Here's exactly how much it's getting absorbed. Here's the optimal delivery mechanism. And here's how much they need. We're not there yet, but until then, trial and error is the way to go. That's what you did. That's what I've done. And, uh, here we are, luckily,
Speaker 2 (24:11): Yeah, it doesn't surprise me that Spain is further advanced with addiction treatment and health disorder treatment than we are because yesterday I was just, I'm not sure if you've, you've heard of this, you probably have, but it's the democracy Indra index, which is compiled by the economist intelligence unit, a UK based private company. And it was looking at this chart yesterday. The last time I did, it was 2019. Um, and so what it does, let's see here, this is crazy. Okay. So it asks things for each nation, whether national elections are free and fair, the security of voters, the influence of foreign powers on government, the capability of the civil servants to implement policies. A lot of things go into it, but there's four classification definitions. There's full democracies, uh, nations where civil liberties and fundamental political freedoms are not only respected, but also reinforce yada yada yada flawed democracies, which according to 2019, that's where the U S was number 25 on the list, uh, at 7.9, six out of 10 as a flawed democracy.
Speaker 2 (25:22): So Spain up here, it says 8.29. That's according to them, it's a, what do you call it just to full democracy? And now I'm wondering with everything that's going on. I mean, it's way past 2019. Now the next one down from flawed democracies is hybrid. Regimes are nations with regular electoral frauds. Um, commonly have governments that apply pressure on political opposition, yada yada yada, beneath that is authoritarians and regimes. And so you look at the bottom of this index, number one 67, we have North Korea, uh, above that Democratic Republic of the Congo above that Central African Republic, Syria, Chad, you get up there, I'm looking China's number one 53. And so yeah, when you look at places like Spain and you look at places like Norway, Iceland, Sweden, uh, even Portugal, like there, the work they're doing with addiction, some of them with nutrient repair, it's just, we're pretty low on the list as far as having the capability to crush it with nutrient repair for addiction, but really just being in the dark ages. So there's tons of examples of other countries, including Dr. Rebecca Erickson in Spain doing just awesome stuff. And here the common medical place going, that's not, that's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (26:49): And yeah, in some ways I would question that report, given what I'd heard about the intensity of the lockdowns over there, that I think they're still locked down. I don't know what's going on now. I haven't spoken with her in a couple of weeks, but you know, basically there were tanks in the streets. They're drones telling people to go back home. She basically said, you know, it's all Funko former fans out in the streets, cheering the tanks as they rolled by to tell people to go inside. So no, it might be an authoritarian streak or two still, but yeah, for some reason, Europe seems to be ahead of us or a lot of, a lot of European countries in nutrient repair for addiction and in innovative ways to be addiction. And so when I, yeah, the first time I told her that it's not common practice in the us to, uh, to inject people with, uh, nutrients, unless if you have wet brain, you know, they'll probably give you a vitamin B one injection that one's pretty, they're not looking for a drug to cure what we know, what causes that, you know, severe, um, thiamine deficiency, but generally speaking, you know, we don't do it.
Speaker 1 (27:58): We don't give people amino acids, oral or ingestible. It's, it's hidden knowledge for some reason. And when I told her that she was appalled, she said, well, what are you Americans doing over there? And I said, well, if we have a talk therapy and anti-depressants, and unfortunately I think it's that. Yeah. I, I try not to wait into politics too much, but it seems to be just the case that there is a certain collusion or cronyism or lobbyists and whatever you want to call it between the companies that produce these things and the need to drum up demand for them. And you can't patent natural nutrients. So you want to blame big corporations or government, you know, that's neither here nor there, but that's the state of things here. And I think there are, there's some hope that it can change, right? Yeah. Over there, things are a little bit different in their higher, much higher success rates in some, in some places. And as you mentioned, Portugal, which basically decriminalized drugs took a different path towards addiction. We've read, discussed that before they've had immense success, uh, and, and lowering the fatalities from overdoses and, uh, you know, rates of addiction, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (29:13): Another thing before I forget, do you hear that? Oh, went away. That was crazy. I heard myself echo twice by
Speaker 1 (29:22): A little bit there
Speaker 2 (29:24): Before I forget another thing, a few things people can do to increase their nutrient absorption that are easy. The main thing I do to increase new nutrient absorption is take nitric oxide boosters. I know you do that too. The one, my main nitric oxide is certified organic Noni extract product called Kyani nitro extreme. I also really love L sits Shirlene, uh, beet organic beet root juice powder and Argentine to the amino acid arginine. So new nitric oxide boosters are helped to, uh, dilate your blood vessels. So you opens up your blood tubes wider and allows the flow of oxygen and blood and all these other nutrients around the body to the areas that need it. So as we age, our nitric oxide levels go down a lot. That's one of the main symptoms of people getting these old age symptoms is they're declining human growth hormone, declining NAD plus, and declining nitric oxide, increasing inflammation, increasing free radical damage, increasing just toxic overload to the liver in general.
Speaker 2 (30:43): So that's one thing I do. Nitric oxide, boosters, Epsom, salt baths, or magnesium chloride bag, a magnesium sulfate, or magnesium chloride bath salts that helps to increase your nutrient absorption really well. And then finally chewing food more slowly. Um, my dad says that my dad teaches nutrition and co has taught in colleges before he says that most Americans only absorb around 20% of the nutrients from the food that they consume. Cause they too, too fast. So I'm kind of a moderately quick tour, but I drink lots of stuff. So nowadays I'll probably have two, maybe three meals during the day, but other than that, I'm drinking stuff, drinking heavily micronutrient beverages. And that way, when you blend it up real good and it's powdered anyways, you're absorbing all that stuff or mostly all of it because you don't have to sit there and chew it. So I just wanted to bring those up to increase nitric oxide, which not only increases nutrient absorption, but it's just great for your brain and your physical energy to, and then those taking Epsom salt baths or ancient minerals, bath flakes, baths, which you taught me about that stuff. That was my, my daughter used my whole bag of ancient minerals, bath salts. I only got to use it once and then she used the whole,
Speaker 1 (32:07): Oh, wow. Yeah. I didn't even know what, what Epsom salt or magnesium baths were until I was probably 25. Um, and that, along with milk thistle, I think those were the only two things I knew about before I quit drinking. And they definitely helped me to ameliorate some withdrawal, played a role in me getting off of alcohol temporarily during those hundreds of times that I quit and then failed to stay quit. So I, I wish I'd had the, if, you know, if I'd had everything that we know about now, I would have not hundreds and hundreds of times, I'm sure I would have failed a couple of dozen times because you have to get your mind in the right place. But, uh, yeah, that's something that I still use to this day. I have, um, several different types of Epsom salt that I keep right next to my bathtub.
Speaker 1 (32:54): I try to take at least one or two baths a week. I have the infrared sauna now that I bought in the beginning of the pandemic from Amazon, just kind of a risky whimsical purchase. Cause I was getting such great benefits from going in the steam room at my gym. And when the gym was closed, I like everyone else was worried. I'd temporarily lose my mind. So the sauna, um, and I also take beet powder every morning. If I have a scoop of a hundred percent organic beet powder. And I feel the difference if I forget to take it, I actually feel a little bit less sharp and my energy levels a little bit lower. And I was, I investigated that cause I thought maybe that's because beets have sugar and it's just giving me a sugar high, but Nope, turns out, uh, there's less than one gram of sugar in a scoop and of closer to zero, probably.
Speaker 1 (33:43): So it's definitely the, uh, the antioxidants in there and increasing the, the not levels. But I have a pretty complicated supplement regimen now, which has been the case ever since the pandemic started up and taking all sorts of things. I've been taking a course of 10 every morning, along with co Q 10 and multivitamin, uh, I cycle on and off zinc. If, uh, once I'm no longer deficient in zinc, it starts giving me a little bit of a stomach. So I always know how to modulate that, but I have about probably 15 different things, many of which are just whole foods based products, right? Like tonic alchemy from dragon herbs. I have a scoop of that every morning. And again, I feel the difference if I don't take it, but I want to stay in the most optimized state possible because as far as I know, I haven't gotten Corona yet and I'd like to avoid getting it.
Speaker 1 (34:36): And uh, at some point I might get the antibiotics test, but I figured why not do everything I can to stay healthy support my immune system. And even though I don't need these things to stay off of alcohol at this point, but I actually found that in that effort to optimize my immune system, my sense of wellbeing has shot through the roof. So, you know, someone might've seen a video of me on YouTube that I shot a year ago saying, you know, if I basically take very few supplements now, because I did nutrient repair, you don't need those supplements forever. If you're coming off alcohol or drugs and you're trying to eliminate or minimize post-acute withdrawal, you might need them for a few months, but you don't need to be taking mega doses of stuff every day for a long time. So my regimen is a lot different than what it was when I was in early recovery, but I'm taking a lot of great stuff and I, I feel, uh, amazing. So I felt really good before, but now I feel really optimal. Yeah. Th that's the same experience
Speaker 2 (35:38): I'm having with a lot of these supplements. Namely, the HGH gel the nervy as well as the dragon herbs products and the ancestral supplements and the ancient nutrients, which is Dr. Axe, his company. So those have allowed me to really optimize, Oh, also I got back on, I ran out of NAC for awhile.
Speaker 1 (36:03): I do that every day and text them a patch on my hand is to a hundred percent gone. I think I'm taking NAC and milkthistle
Speaker 2 (36:12): Uh, so in love with NAC, I'm trying a new one. It's way more expensive than the other ones I've tried. It's called peer and capsulate better encapsulation supplement company. They're so good. I love their DLP too. Although I haven't needed that one in ages, but the NAC is a huge one. I'm giving that to Ashley too. And her skin like normally she has psoriasis on her legs. Actually, when she first moved in with me, she had it all over her arms really bad on her legs. It has been completely gone off of her arms for months now, and it's almost completely gone on her legs. And that's just from me helping her with diet and then feeding. She doesn't know what any of the supplements do, but I feed her about five capsules every morning and about five to seven capsules every night. One of those is that 900 milligram NAC every morning and every night.
Speaker 2 (37:06): Uh, one final thing I forgot to mention with nutrient absorption. I feel like people are wanting to know more about this is digestive enzymes. When you take a digestive enzyme or two, right before you eat food, those help you to not only digest the food, but actually to obtain more of the micro and nutrient absorption from it. And this is something that just, you could take it for maybe two weeks, maybe a month. It's not something you're supposed to take for life, but it can help people to get back on track to start another thing too, is drinking fresh, squeezed, uh, or fresh juice, celery juice in the morning. What that does, if you do that every morning helps your stomach create more hydrochloric acid, which helps you with more energy and much more digestion. Um, I learned that from, I think his name's Anthony William, but anyways, yeah, digestion is important. My dad has a saying, uh, it's not that you are what you eat. You are what you absorb.
Speaker 1 (38:10): Right. Well, I actually have a ginger tablets and I don't recall the brand, but they're very good. And I have digestive enzymes. I try not to rely on them. You know, if I don't get a lot of stomach aches, I'm lucky. I seem to have had luck in terms of inheriting a solid digestive tract. However, every now and then I get a stomach ache. Maybe I did something dumb and I ate an pizza, which I could do when I was 20. I can't do it anymore. And when I do, it's like, well, where's the ginger, where's the digestive enzymes. And where are the candida capsules that you talked about, that your friend, uh, the herbalists mix. And, uh, those are almost instant fixes. Like I haven't taken a tomes or, or, or an Advil or anything over the counter. You know, in literally years, probably four years.
Speaker 1 (38:59): People get really surprised when I, when I, when I say that I talk to the two guys in the gym and I've talked about entries I've had, and they're like, Oh, you like loading up on the ibuprofen. I'm like, no, I would take an ibuprofen at four years. I haven't taken Tylenol. I've taken nothing. I take turmeric or curcumin. Um, the, I think is it BCM 95? I think so. Uh, and I have, I have ginger. I have, uh, anti-inflammatory things that I, that take that help my body rather than, than promote more inflammation, which is exactly what I don't want, but I'm not trying to rely on ginger or digestive enzymes on a daily basis. If I have that many stomach aches, I'm doing things wrong. And I, that's why I've noticed that I tend to do better when I'm eating fewer carbs. If I'm eating carbs often, which doesn't happen, you know, every year I get temporarily, uh, uh, develop a temporary taste for Christmas cookies or sweets around the holidays.
Speaker 1 (39:55): And that's usually when I use the most ginger and digestive enzymes. So I can biohack my way out of that loop. I can use some L-glutamine to, to, to get rid of any blood sugar issue that I'm causing myself. But then it's like, well, good riddance. You know? And then I don't, I don't have to, I don't have to use that stuff until later, but I think a lot of people who do have, have gut inflammation or trouble absorbing things, or digestive troubles and stomach pain, which is really miserable, uh, ginger, digestive, enzymes, L-glutamine, those things can, can help. And also herbs, you know, like anti candida herbs, I think, uh, clove oil, oregano oil, um, I'm probably not pronouncing it right, but it's like, Paul Darko, is that right? How do you anchor? Okay. Yeah. That those things Walnut husk extract. I think there are a whole bunch of things that can be very helpful there that are typically associated with reducing symptoms of candida. But I found to be helpful in the short term for reducing blur.
Speaker 2 (40:55): Yeah, really good. In the short term for reducing blow something that I used to have a huge problem with. Um, and I have copied you and gone much lower carb to where I wouldn't consider it like a low carb diet. Really. It's just like, I only ingest carbs at appropriate times. Like when my body feels like it, it's a very intuitive process. So most of the day I'm gone without carbs. And my skin's better. I'm not bloated. I have more energy. I have better digestion. Um, my physique is better. Like I'm just, I'm lean and strong. I really, really love this diet. And that's, I was thinking about this the other day, cause I've been, and I know you have to go pretty soon. I think I have about eight or nine days in a row walking barefoot on the beach. This is all going back to whatever it was.
Speaker 2 (41:47): Maybe three weeks ago or something, or four weeks ago, you had talked about your new Monday routine walking barefoot on the beach and driving something like 40 minutes each way. Right. So I was like, ah, I live five minutes each way from the Pacific ocean, I'm being a total dumb, like not using that. That's the only reason I live here is because I love the Pacific ocean. I love living by the coast and I have a lot of family and friends here. Um, that's really all it has. Great. Here is the, the nature, the beauty, the mild climate, and then my friends and family. So I've been doing that daily and Holy crap between having a really clean and good diet where I also get to eat crap, you know? Um, but mostly good stuff by walking barefoot in nature, doing those mindfulness walks there, K I'll just call it what it is.
Speaker 2 (42:38): Mindfulness Walker like more like a nature immersion nature, submersion walk, but I've been doing those. And then the diet, the Chinese herbs, the Oregon's, all the stuff together, going to bed early, too. Last night, I went to bed at around seven 30 that's normally I go to bed. Wow. Nope. Normally I go to bed around eight 30 to nine this time of year, but Ashley and I both went to bed at seven 30 and I woke up this morning at seven and I felt phenomenal before we started to do these barefoot beach walks daily. I was having some sleep issues, um, or I was having a tell grid for sleep. It really going to take a huge cocktail of things to be able to fall asleep by midnight or something, or by 11 now, I'm I don't have to take any of those things. Really.
Speaker 2 (43:27): I'm just doing the barefoot walk sometime during the day, whether it's at 11:00 AM or maybe not till 3:00 PM, 4:00 PM, but now it's a habit. Dude. I find myself every day itching to just go get to my car, drive to the beach, take my shoes and socks off, put my hood on and just kind of look down and be in my own world. And it's easy to keep something like this going once it's already a habit. So now it's easy for me to keep this going. Um, now I just, and I'm doing systematic desensitization to getting further and further out into the water. And pretty soon I'm just going to be jumping in and body surfing. It has been really freezing cold. Like I'm talking, getting down to the low forties at night. So a lot of the times when I've been going to the beach, I wear my sweatpants. Cause it's cold yesterday. I brought my trunks and Ashley came with me and I almost went swimming, body surfing, but it's just a little bit still not the, not the water. I can deal with the cold water. It's the cold winter air, like, you know, low to mid fifties. But then with the wind chill, that. I'm not,
Speaker 1 (44:39): You know that because I would jump in regardless. I was, it wasn't as cold when I was there in November, but it wasn't warm in the mornings. And that I felt phenomenal all day. I felt invincible all day after those early morning body surf sessions and combined with the earth thing and I was sleeping a lot better than I normally do here. I have an earthing mat actually that I, I keep, I rest my forearms on and my wrists when I'm doing work. And I've actually found some benefits, not nearly the benefits I would get from body surfing in the Pacific or earthing out in the beach, but, uh, it's better than nothing. And so I, I'm trying to try and to stay somewhat optimized here with my earth and Matt, I realized I wasn't standing. If I was standing on it, I was usually wearing socks, which could be defeating the purpose.
Speaker 1 (45:25): I want bare skin touching it. So that's why I'm I have my wrists. And it's kind of like, I could use it as a mousepad. I just don't use mouses. But yeah, I think that's super, super important and it's getting cold here too. I've been meaning to get out in the water, but yeah, it's been getting down into the thirties at night. I think the water, I don't know what the water temperature is. I'd guess 50 or maybe a little bit lower. I don't think he gets much polar 50 here in the summer. It gets to be around the water. Temperature can be 85, which is like, it's like a bath that's warmer than when I lived on a wahoo. I actually like the, the colder water actually that spring and fall. I think it's the best time for the water here, but there is something about the Pacific. It's just, this seems more vast for some reason, the water is a little bit more clear, even though it's not clear, it's still got some, got more of a blue hue to it, as opposed to the kind of Atlantic green, for some reason, I just, I love it out there. So you're making me jealous, talking about
Speaker 2 (46:26): Sending you those videos and stuff. Like we could be body surfing this. Well, this is a perfect spot to end and you're going to go have your fun day planned. I have no plans today, so wish I could teleport there and go do what you're going to do.
Speaker 1 (46:43): Oh yeah, yeah. It should be good. I keep saying I'm going to post on Instagram and I will. I will. I swear. Uh, we're, I'm figuring out how to, how to schedule some posts, how to, you know, which category, what, what things do I really think people need to would benefit from and would appreciate, rather than it being my version of, you know, keeping up with Chris. I don't want to keeping up with the Kardashians. I don't, I don't know. It's not, I'm not that exciting. I want, but I mean, I do a lot cooler stuff than I used to when I drank and I feel like it would be nice to provide a portal to that or some window to it. I think there are a lot of people out there thinking, you know, if I, if I quit drinking, I'm going to lose all my friends and live a boring life and it's just going to suck and that's not the case all, so, so yeah, I'm going to, uh, to an outdoor shooting range today, they have archery, they have, uh, multiple rifle ranges and pistol ranges and they have a fishing as well, which I probably won't do because it's, it's catch and release.
Speaker 1 (47:44): And I feel like I'd rather, if I caught something I'd want it sneaker and home and put it in my, or my cast iron pan, those are close enough to the ocean to, to go fish there. But, but it'll be good. Um, and, um, I'm excited, but anyway, Matt, this has been great as always, and we'll be back
Speaker 3 (48:01): In a couple of days.
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